Wednesday 19th November
The Resource Centre
356 Holloway Road, London N7 6PA
10am -4pm
What sort of relationship do want to see between the population and the health service? Will an extension of patient choice encourage involvement or generate unrealistic expectations and more unproductive complaints? If choice is not restricted to fit healthy people what relationship can people who have chronic conditions expect with the health service? And what will happen when people do not get what they want?
Dr Peter Smith, Chair of The National
Association of Primary Care
Adrian Harvey Fabian Society
Prof. John Spiers, University of Glamorgan, - Patients, Power and Responsibility
Millie Kieve Adverse Psychiatric Reactions Information Link
Catherine Needham, Queen Mary College, London, Research Associate Catalyst
Professor John Peysner Professor of Civil Justice
Nottingham Law School
Peter Walsh Action for Victims of Medical Accidents
Intended audience: anyone interested in the Individual or collective rights of patients: Clinical Negligence, complaints, advocacy and ICAS. Board members, managers, organisations of users or patients, Scrutiny Committees, PALS staff
Fair for All Personal to You - Patient Choice Consultation
Message from Harry Cayton about the consultation:
Emerging themes are:
1. Access choices including language and disability, stigma (around mental
health for instance) opening access by creating different routes into services
2. Treatment choices, patients more in control of their treatment and patient
journey, able to make decisions for them selves including not to be treated.
3. Information - without good information about the NHS and about conditions
none of this is possible.
We have had a lot of discussion about equity; disability, ethnicity, economic disadvantage, as barriers to choice. As so about the expert patient programe and supporting self-management as promoting equity. The task groups have met three times - two to go. We have had over 600 responses on the website, been in touch with 180 voluntary organisations. We are expecting more than 3000 responses in total.
Agitators will inherit the earth Roy Hattersley November 17, 2003 The Guardian
The sick can't shop around Roy Hattersley November 14, 2003 The Guardian
Equity Choice Capacity and Culture John Reid New Health Network Conference 7 November 2003
Choice Tom Baldwin and Alice Miles The Times 7/8/02
A deeper democracy: Challenging market fundamentalism Angela Eagle MP
What is the Real Cost of More Patient Choice? Kings Fund 2003
Report of proceedings:
What does Choice mean to us (From the flip chart):
Choice = Self-determination; Choice is empowerment; Choice is being taken
seriously; Allopathic v. Complementary; Choice for me is going to my health
provider who can give me my options; Be honest about what they don't know;
and give me the performance data of the clinicians I may be referred to so
that I can choose who locally gives me care.
Floor contributions:
Unlike other sectors of the economy increasing the consumption of medication
or surgery is not necessarily a good thing.
Some sorts of choice is pointless - like the proliferation of directory enquiry
services. Does choice improve quality?
If money follows the patient will unpopular services close?
Choice is impractical without the provision of balanced information.
Patients have got to want to challenge what is provided.
The lay agenda is important.
We have to cater for minorities of all sorts.
Professionals can be very defensive.
Choice and fear do not go well together. People who are terminally ill often
don't want to choose. Some patients are too afraid to ask questions.
Will the working class get choice?
Adrian's responses: The working class are not effective complainers. The provision
of information is related to the maintenance of professional control. More
choice makes people more demanding.
Meaningful political engagement is important. Choice can stimulate innovation
and responsiveness.
- perspective as a member of the Inequalities Reference Group.
Relevant information is critical. New GP contract will generate public information
about practices, and the possibility of league tables.
People who are involved in the political debate, esp the media and including
those attending the conference, do not use health services as much as the
average person. Satisfaction with GPs is very high, and UK only country where
poorer patients are significantly more satisfied with the care they get than
richer people. However it is important to keep the middle classes on board.
Will more choice lead to higher cost?
Are patients sufficiently involved? The NHS has less patient
involvement than other European health systems. Demanding consumers can be
informed participants.
We need to solicit more complaints from poorer people. Otherwise we get a
better service for the more vocal.
Patient/doctor relationship is still crucial.
Older people are less keen on choice.
Redefining the GP role will mean more teamwork.
Do we give choices about vaccination?
Questions - What happens if there is, for example, conflict
between the information given by your doctor and that available from the pharmacist,
who may for example be aware that you are being treated for cancer when you
have not been told?
What is choice for?
The NHSIA is working on an internet based project - My health
space - a web based health record.
We are moving towards pharmacist prescribing.
How does choice rank as an issue?
Problems of psychiatric diagnosis, which may not be accepted by the patient,
and may not be right. What do we do about bad patient experiences?
What does choice mean to us?
Will GPs still strike off people who complain?
Choices are made every day. Society has become more diverse.
Healthcare is uniquely personal.
What is involvement about? After all the pig is involved in the bacon sandwich.
Importance of solidarity, equity - which is better in Europe, and access.
Many health choices are not about life and death, but about lifestyle choices.
Both old and disabled people are capable of making choices.
Negroponte's Being digital shows us possibilities for delivering services
in very different ways - diagnosis through your TV.
What happens to choice for children?
Work of Prof Robert G. Evans in Canada shows choice can lead to more effective
care. Making people feel in charge has a therapeutic effect. Medicalisation
of problems is not generally helpful.
A&E Departments have a profound effect on local health economies.
Does involvement make any difference? (see bacon sandwich above).
Doctors know which of their colleagues they would not wish to be treated by,
but they don't tell us because of the quasi-masonic medical culture.
The class gradient has not improved.
Beggar my neighbour rationing.
Political or economic influence.
Activism is not a feasible solution for most patients. Involvement leads to
informed and trained users, who can see things from the manager's point of
view.
I already own 1/60,000,000 of the NHS. What I want is a legally enforceable
core guarantee of care. Funding should be allocated on an individual-biased
basis and then taken to a mutual purchasing organisation - under community
ownership. That would lead to sensitised purchasing. Choice has to affect
the flow of money if it is to make a difference.
Spending money on self-care reduces demand on services. Most NHS spending
goes on chronic care.
Most knowledge is tacit. I won't know what I want until I get there.
Direct payments work very well in social care. Perhaps they could work in
health. Look at the provision of spectacles. In Europe if you have money you
can buy better clinical care.
If there are to be changes they must be introduced incrementally, so we can
learn from experience.
Questions: What would we do about self-imposed illness? Need to encourage
change with incentives, and use purchasing power.
How honest are audits and evaluations? Customer satisfaction surveys should
include follow up and payment should not be made until later. CHI cannot enforce
change.
Investment should be in primary care, where there are many silent patients.
Importance of long- term follow up of patients from clinical
trials as
Adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and withdrawal effects may be delayed. Many
hospital admissions are iatrogenic. GPs know little about pharmacology,
pharmacists could be involved in reviewing medication and ADRs. The MHRA
yellow card system for reporting ADRs is ineffective.
Can we have choice without information? Not all licensed drugs are safe.
We need withdrawal protocols and support for safe medication withdrawal and
to tackle the widespread addiction to prescribed drugs. Psychiatric adverse
drug reactions are often treated as new illness."
Patients and Carers' views should be listened to.
Patient choice would be fine thing if we had the ability, knowledge and understanding
needed to make the informed choices we so desire. Partnerships and patient
choice is currently a fashionable topic. Will it ever be a reality?
In the area of drug treatment and anaesthesia, the patients have little opportunity
to make an informed choice. We are given too little information about the
risks versus benefits of treatment.
Psychiatric Adverse Drug Reactions (ADRs) to non-psychiatric medication, or
to psychotropic drugs, are often mistaken for new illness resulting in cascades
of new drugs instead of withdrawal of the causation. Drugs can save lives
and some medication can make living with long-term conditions possible. The
same drugs, if inappropriately prescribed or given to a patient unable to
cope with the dose or the drug, may cause severe ADRs.
Some of us have chosen the path of researching for available information,
and have gained knowledge about the way drugs work or don't work. Together
with the knowledge of our own and our family's normal condition and behaviour
we may be alerted to early warning signs of ADRs.
Involvement in treatment reduction or withdrawal decisions for a family member
is sometimes unwelcome. Ignoring the concerns of family and patient about
the adverse effects of medication has unfortunately resulted in possibly avoidable
crisis and even death. Many carers complain that doctors ignore their requests
for medication review or reduction.
I am constantly hearing from people denied any say in the drugging of their
elderly parents in care homes. The parents of autistic or Asperger syndrome
young adults who have had serious adverse reactions to psychotropic drugs,
are desperately seeking a review of the harms caused by this kind of treatment.
Long term iatrogenic (treatment induced) illness, emergency hospital admissions,
long stays in psychiatric units and deaths by suicide or accident are reported
to me every day.
Personal story
For 8 years since the untimely death of my daughter Karen, I have done research,
and founded a charity helping thousands of individuals. I have organised an
International conference, tried to create awareness among the public and contributed
to many government health inquiries.
My daughter had severe reactions to a number of drugs prescribed for non-psychiatric
conditions and to anaesthesia. Karen then suffered from the debilitating adverse
effects of the psychiatric drugs used to treat the original ADRs. We had no
written information or verbal warnings of risks and no way of reporting the
ADRS.
Only since 1999 has EU law required Patient Information Leaflets (PILs) to
be provided with all medication. Some of these still omit warnings about the
danger of sudden withdrawal, or clear information about the risk of psychiatric
ADRs.
Patient Reports of adverse drug reactions from patients are still not accepted
in the UK. The submission of reports by health professionals, of a maximum
of 10% of serious ADRs does not give a realistic picture of the extent of
the problems occurring in the community.
Millions of pounds are spent due to emergency admissions and treatment for
ADRs and illness caused by sudden withdrawal from addictive medication in
hospitals as well as in primary care. The immense personal cost of devastated
family life, wrecked careers, and the emotional effect on families, friends
and work colleagues is rarely evaluated.
Official statistics of 10,000 serious ADR incidents in NHS hospitals included
in the Department of Health (D of H) report "An Organisation with a Memory"
maybe just the tip of the iceberg.
The Government are spending millions on new D of H agencies. There is much
talk about improving patient safety, compliance and involvement, yet still
the problem of ADRs is not being addressed by such agencies as the NPSA (National
Patient Safety Agency).
The remit of the NPSA is only to investigate unusual adverse incidents and
they say the responsibility for monitoring 'expected', even serious ADRs belongs
to the MHRA (Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency) which in
April 2003 replaced the MCA (Medicines Control Agency). Drug safety monitoring
and regulation, is the responsibility of the MHRA, an organisation most of
whose work is funded by the industry it regulates.
Following a BBC Panorama programme highlighting the adverse effects and withdrawal
problems of the SSRI antidepressant Seroxat, (also known as Paxil or paroxetine),
many of the over 1300 people who e-mailed Panorama after the programme, were
asked to submit detailed information on special Yellow Cards designed by Mind,
to be submitted to the MHRA.
A recent study by experts Dr Andrew Herxheimer and Charles Medawar, examined
the MHRA monitoring and evaluation of all reports for the drug Seroxat. They
concluded that "miscoding and flawed analysis of the Yellow Card reports
has led to underestimation of the risk of suicidal behaviour on these drugs."
The full report in the International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine
can be accessed via the web site www.socialaudit.org.uk
Akathisia (mental and physical agitation) is an ADR that may lead to self
harm, thoughts of suicide, suicide attempts, death by suicide or accident,
violence or homicide The National Suicide Prevention Strategy for England
does not include a warning, or even mention the need to monitor suicidal patients
for the possibility that they may be suffering from akathisia.
The Oxford Centre for Suicide Research has no plans to include medication-induced
suicide or problems due to akathisia in their research. The D of H National
Service Framework does not include warnings for health professionals to be
aware of the possibility that ADRs to medication may be causing depression,
agitation, mania, violence, akathisia, suicidal ideation, anorexia, or confusion
and dementia in the elderly.
Many drugs are prescribed 'off licence', that is they have never
been tested in clinical trials for the condition, or possibly for a particular
group of patients. Clinicians frequently prescribe 'off licence' for children,
drugs that have not been tested on young people. Due to the lack of guidelines,
the dose prescribed for a child is left to the individual judgement of the
clinician. 'Off licence' prescriptions are unregulated and information about
them is not collected.
Soon after the publicity surrounding the Panorama programme, 'off licence'
prescribing of two specific antidepressants Seroxat and Effexor for people
under 18 was banned. Statistics from pharmaceutical company clinical trials
in children and adolescents had suddenly come to light, which showed evidence
of a higher suicide risk for those under 18 when taking these drugs.
Sarah Boseley, in an article in the Guardian September 20th
2002 stated
" There are around 50,000 children, some as young as six, on antidepressants
in the UK, the Guardian has learned. Last year, doctors wrote 170,000 prescriptions
of the drugs for children under 18, even though many experts say counselling
and talking therapies work better. Just as with Seroxat, the GlaxoSmithKline
drug banned in June, studies have shown that Efexor can cause children to
have suicidal thoughts or to become hostile, a word which in the context of
clinical trials can mean homicidal. Experts at the Medicines and Healthcare
products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), which licenses drugs in the UK, are urging
that children should not stop taking either drug suddenly, but should consult
their doctor.
The announcement raises a number of serious and urgent questions about the
conduct of the pharmaceutical industry, the use of drugs in children and the
ability of the MHRA to police the drug companies and safeguard public health.
Data which suggests the drugs could be causing children to feel murderous
and suicidal has been in drug company hands for several years. The studies
on these two drugs and others were carried out in the mid to late-1990s, after
the Food and Drug Administration in the United States asked for efficacy and
safety data because of the rapidly increasing number of children being prescribed
antidepressants.
Glaxo is already under investigation by the UK regulators for failing to hand
over data showing the suicide risks earlier. One of Wyeth's four studies in
depressed and anxious children was published in 1997. Yesterday a spokesman
for the company refused to give the dates of the other unpublished trials.
" end of quote from 'The Guardian'
A November 2002 'Early Day Motion' in the House of Commons was
concerned about 'off licence' prescribing to children. It read as follows:
"That this House welcomes the publication of 'Surveillance for fatal
suspected adverse drug reactions in the United Kingdom' by A. Clarkson and
I. Choonara which aimed to determine the nature and number of suspected adverse
drug reactions associated with children reported through the yellow card scheme;
is concerned that there were 331 deaths with 390 suspected medicines; notes
that overall the benefits of all the drugs listed are likely to be far greater
than risks; but hopes most earnestly that paediatricians will learn from the
prime message of the paper that they should make themselves aware of guidelines
which recommend avoiding certain medication in high risk groups; and further
calls on the Medicines Control Agency to recognise, as the report states in
its opening sentence, that the toxicity of medicines in children is clearly
different from that in adults by introducing new and specific testing procedures
for medicines prescribed to children."
The MHRA should be regulating the safety of drugs, yet only acted on the evidence
of the risks to children after it set up a working group to review the antidepressants
following the Panorama expose. MHRA officials apparently see only a summary
of the trial results from the manufacturers and only when the company is seeking
a licence.
Dr David Healy, Dr Andrew Herxheimer and Mr Charles Medawar,
have been voicing their concerns for years, about the risk of suicide for
patients suffering adverse effects and withdrawal effects of SSRI antidepressants.
If not for their tireless work and the efforts of the BBC Panorama programme,
the increase in prescribing antidepressants, often for conditions unrelated
to clinical depression and for children as young as six would have continued.
Hopefully the message will get through now to the many psychiatrists and GPs
who have previously increased the dose for patients suffering from akathisia
and other obvious ADRs in the belief that their 'condition' would be helped
by the very drug that was causing the problems.
No investigation into the way these drugs were licensed would be taking place
if it were not for the efforts of just a few concerned people. To all those
afraid of stepping on toes, I would say "We cannot bring back the dead
children but we can make more of an effort to protect the living". Please
make your voices heard.
We should be demanding as a right for patients and for the overstretched
medical profession, that the 'Safety of Medicines' should be regulated by
an independent body with no connections to the pharmaceutical industry and
that clinical trials should be scrutinised by people who care more about safety
than profits. Serious Adverse Events (SAEs) and withdrawal problems during
and after clinical trials should not be surrounded by secrecy as is currently
the case.
Following the announcement of an investigation in the UK, the American Food
and Drug Administration (FDA) announced a meeting to hear evidence from the
public about SSRI antidepressants, to be held in New York in Feb 2004.
Some people who lack certain enzymes needed to break down and
inactivate the medication, will quickly have toxic levels in their body, even
when taking normal (therapeutic) doses. An enzyme in the cytochrome P50 group
known as CYP2D6 is known to be lacking in some 4 - 5 million people in the
UK and is needed for 50 of the most commonly prescribed drugs, including cardiovascular
and antidepressant drugs among others. There are no Department of Health plans
yet in the pipeline for testing people thought to be vulnerable, let alone
the whole population. These tests, however, are being used to identify suitable
and unsuitable people for drug trials. If you want to find out more about
pharmacogenetics go to www.nuffieldbioethics.org
It is important to understand that psychological adverse effects of medication
can affect anyone. Many people who have never had any psychiatric illness
or appeared vulnerable or likely to suffer from mental illness will suffer
from psychiatric adverse reactions to medication prescribed for physical complaints
or anaesthesia.
It may not touch you today but could in the future. If you look
back, there may have been someone in your circle of family and friends who
had been affected. Awareness now may prevent a future catastrophe.
WARNING: NEVER STOP ANY MEDICATION SUDDENLY WITHOUT CONSULTING A CLINICIAN.
Stopping steroids, antidepressants, bezodiazepine (muscle relaxants, tranquillisers
and sleeping pills) and some pain killers too quickly can be a danger to life.
If the NHS is a collective, and it damages you, then what? Is
Social Security sufficient?
No fault schemes, such as New Zealand, are very sensitive to government interference,
and vulnerable to excessive responses to beneficiary fraud. However they remove
lawyers from that area so there is no easy way back down that road.
Cerebral palsy needs to be treated separately.
In the UK the post-Woolf scheme of civil litigation is faster. Costs are disproportionate
in most clinical negligence cases because damages for pain and suffering are
low. Home Office v Lownds (2002) acts as a check on lawyers who run up disproportionate
costs. There is now budgeting of cases and the appointment of agreed experts
acting for both parties. Conditional fee arrangements with insurance against
the award of costs are established.
We need a complaint system which is responsive, permits an early apology and is fair to clinicians. Future development should include much greater emphasis on early rehabilitation, a duty of candour, a move to periodical payments instead of lump sums and better adverse incident reports. The basic rule is that adverse incident reports should be available to patients.
Can choice improve safety? Choice is meaningless without information
Information needs careful analysis & explanation. Informed choice of provider
and of treatment options can improve outcomes for the patient. Unwilling patients
generate discontent.
Can we afford full choice?
All providers should meet minimum standards and so be up to the job anyway.
No one will improve if we always use 'the best'
Can choice be a right?
If a right or expectation, failure to provide the chosen provider will generate
complaints/challenges. Without the right to challenge, choice becomes meaningless.
There will inevitably be an increase in complaints
'Choice' & 'Justice'
Legal redress has its limitations. Legal Aid is quite limited in coverage
and scope. Access to Justice not a realistic prospect for most people who
are neither rich enough to pay nor poor enough to qualify for help. Proposed
reforms have potential for fairer system. Still a danger of choice = take
it or leave it. Possible 'Hobson's choice'
Individual and collective Justice
Choice or justice for one can mean less choice or justice for others. Some
choice an absolute necessity. Questionable how much choice is desirable or
deliverable. There has to be a reasonable balance
Effective Consumer or Empowered Patient?
Take your choice!
Questions: We don't want to see defensive medicine as practiced in the USA.
Clinicians have to explain risks. Clinical Negligence provisions as reported
to NHS Trust accounts are grossly unrealistic, and in reality the costs of
negligence are under 1%. Patients need to know what questions to ask. Should
the NHS have its own investigation service?
Can Foundation Hospitals opt out of the clinical negligence scheme?
Consumerism pre-supposes self interested rationalism. It is
rights based, but essentially passive, and vulnerable to marketing techniques.
Under the Tories the issues between patients and producers were dealt with
by the Patients' Charter. Now the approach is to customise the NHS - putting
the patient in the centre in a consumer age. Is more choice going to lead
to more equality?
Consumers are essentially selfish. The model works well for non- essential
services and where there is a choice between providers of similar services.
But what is its effect on collective goals and the public service ethos.
What does it mean to treat someone as a consumer?
o Choice-based model (e.g. choice between providers)
o Rights-based model (e.g. charters specifying service standards)
o Cultural model (consumers are passive, vulnerable, manipulated)
1980s: Patient vs Producer
o Conservative commitment to put patient first
o 1983 Griffiths Report called for the NHS to be responsive to consumers,
like companies
o User as an ally in fight against 'producerism'
o Internal market expanded competition, but was little change in patient role
1990-97: Patient's Charter
o Major's Citizen's Charter initiative promised to make users as powerful
as private sector customers.
o Information, 'voice' and rights would act in place of market and 'exit'
o Patient's Charter blended rights with entitlements
o Citizenship missing from the Charter
1997-2000: New NHS
o New NHS white paper (1997) emphasised meeting patient needs and restoring
patient confidence in the NHS
o Citizenship and community played an enhanced role
o Patient's Charter replaced by weaker document Your NHS. Emphasised responsibilities
rather than rights
2000-03: Patient-centred care
o NHS Plan 2000: emphasis on choice, and tailoring the service to patient
needs
o Call for NHS to respond to the 'consumer age' and to meet expectations shaped
in the private sector
o Expansion of hospital choice for some operations
o Foundation Hospitals initiative sees choice as driver of excellence
o Reid: I will 'put the patient at the centre of the NHS'
What's wrong with treating patients as consumers?
o Assumes that public and private sector should operate on the same principles
o Is based on a deterministic vision of a 'consumer age'
o Weakens capacity of the NHS to meet collective goals
o Equates choice with equity
o Threatens public service ethos
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